tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post5409735263945026924..comments2023-09-01T07:14:24.180-05:00Comments on Theological Ponderings: At Long Last...Michael.Gabrielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10312040031325923270noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-55432707981427857432008-05-04T01:59:00.000-05:002008-05-04T01:59:00.000-05:00Mr. Watson, Yes Mr. VC is still teaching the class...Mr. Watson, <BR/><BR/>Yes Mr. VC is still teaching the class. And yes, I'm sure that he's going to have much to say about it.<BR/><BR/>About your post...<BR/><BR/>I could take some time to think about where you might be coming from on this, or you could just tell me. At this point, I'm almost apt to think that you would have to advocate a preteristic understanding if I didn't know better.<BR/><BR/>Please explain.Michael.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312040031325923270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-41304512480613262692008-05-03T23:04:00.000-05:002008-05-03T23:04:00.000-05:00cwatson,I don't remember whether or not Ladd held ...cwatson,<BR/><BR/>I don't remember whether or not Ladd held to a Jewish Restoration (I seem to think that he did...though not all Historic Premillennialists do).<BR/><BR/>In any case, the Restoration is the answer to your question: if it takes place just after the rapture, and just before the judgment (granted, not much time) then we see how physical bodies could enter the Millennium in a post-trib scenario.<BR/><BR/>In other words, Christ comes down as far as the clouds. We go to meet him in the air. He begins to descend the rest of the way, touching down on the Mt. of Olives. As He does so, every Jew looks on Him whom they have pierced, and turns to Him (apparently, some Gentiles will turn to Him at this time, too). Immediately following this mass conversion, Jesus executes justice on the nations, sparing those who have just come to Him.Scott Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876591259277154966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-41800340229580020202008-05-03T23:03:00.000-05:002008-05-03T23:03:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Scott Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876591259277154966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-48981048473113527972008-05-03T17:29:00.000-05:002008-05-03T17:29:00.000-05:00Nice response, Andrew. I'll think that one through...Nice response, Andrew. I'll think that one through and get back to you. Challenging stuff my friend.Michael.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312040031325923270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-18986845906356393522008-05-03T16:34:00.000-05:002008-05-03T16:34:00.000-05:00Continuing on in our efforts to be Gospel-centered...Continuing on in our efforts to be Gospel-centered in our blogging, the Band of Bloggers network has been created. Join us as we seek to unify and encourage each other.<BR/><BR/>http://bandofbloggers.ning.com/?xgi=59sy6msAndrew Randazzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295923661275279354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-31392237484396146522008-05-03T16:14:00.000-05:002008-05-03T16:14:00.000-05:00Mike, I think Matt 24-25 (I won't even mention the...Mike, <BR/><BR/>I think Matt 24-25 (I won't even mention the Jewish character of it) is Jesus answering three specific questions found in v 3. The first question answered is found in v 4-14. Thus, the question that needs to be answered is - what is the end? I won't answer this one for you but I will allow you to answer it for youself. I do not think that you have examined the Olivet Discourse in relation to the three questions. <BR/><BR/>By the way, does Mr. VC still teach Sys IV? <BR/><BR/>I do disagree with your eschatology - but I thought that was already obvious. There is one problem with your system which men like GE Ladd still had with their system of historic premillennialism. Ladd (and others) still believed in some kind of millennium. The problem is - if Post-trib (and immediate glorification) who is around to have children, populate the millennium, and rebel at the end of the Millennium?CWatsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09835470753764102428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-63680353326467252162008-05-03T10:00:00.000-05:002008-05-03T10:00:00.000-05:00Hey, nicely articulated, my friend. I'll let you k...Hey, nicely articulated, my friend. I'll let you know what the professor's comments are after he gives them to me. By the way, it was an awesome class, and I highly appreciated him as a teacher...I just wanted to make that clear after my former comments. We disagree with each other, and he constantly calls me an amillennialist; but I think he knows his stuff extremely well. I don't think he has condemned me as a heretic yet, either--which I greatly appreciate.Michael.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312040031325923270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-52956219797531614862008-05-02T21:10:00.000-05:002008-05-02T21:10:00.000-05:00Matt. 24 was written to the Jews. It is Israel (a...Matt. 24 was written to the Jews. It is Israel (as in, the nation) that will be besieged during the Tribulation.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, a chronology is still a chronology! Dispensationalists are missing the point when they say that the Jewish character of Matt. 24 keeps it from being applicable to our understanding of eschatology.<BR/><BR/>Jesus said that the angels will gather the elect after the tribulation... now whether He said that to Jews or to Gentiles, a fact is a fact.<BR/><BR/>The Jewish character of Matt. 24 has nothing to do with the chronology laid down there.dScott Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876591259277154966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-60112332818237883952008-05-02T19:37:00.000-05:002008-05-02T19:37:00.000-05:00Well, the problem that I'll have to face with my p...Well, the problem that I'll have to face with my professor when he grades it is his passion for the imminant return of Christ. Not sure where that is in Scripture. There are references that tell us to watch because we don't know the day or hour, but that doesn't exclude the signs that we were given. Also, he says that the Olivet Discourse was meant to be applied only to the Jews, but I think that that's prepostorous. I honestly think that then Preterest view has more going for it than the Dispensational one when it comes to this passage.<BR/><BR/>He'll actually probably ask about Israel and why I didn't mention them, but I did; I made it very clear that Christ is going to send His angels to gather us all from the 4 winds...Michael.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312040031325923270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164961175157919774.post-23073852638701192792008-05-02T19:21:00.000-05:002008-05-02T19:21:00.000-05:00This is very good!Eschatology is most exciting to ...This is very good!<BR/><BR/>Eschatology is most exciting to me when we focus on the things we all agree on--Christ's return, our glorification, and the consummation of all things under His feet.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I do firmly believe in a geo-political Millennium to come, but I appreciate your honesty about that.<BR/><BR/>One minor critique--you said that, apparently, we are very close to evangelizing the nations.<BR/>Did you know that there are over 4,000 languages that still do not have one verse of Scripture? Not one verse.<BR/><BR/>Some people argue that many unreached nations will be reached during the Tribulation. I agree. But 4,000? 4,000 languages that have had NO translation work done yet?<BR/><BR/>I kind of doubt it. For this reason, I doubt that we're ready for the Tribulation to take place, just yet.Scott Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876591259277154966noreply@blogger.com